The Nation Voted for Judgment

In response to another conservative, whose opinion you can figure out from the response:

I agree the nation chose judgment, but in my opinion Romney would at best have been Judgment Lite anyway, a slower road to judgment. 

At one point he voted for late term abortion himself and for gay marriage.   The man changed with the wind.  Overall it seems he would have been better for the country, that his election would mean God was blessing us at least to some extent, but we have to remember that Romney also represents rejection of God and apostasy of the Church simply by being a Mormon.  One might say Obama's closet Muslim beliefs are worse but I'm not completely sure, in God's eyes.  Mormonism is a false representation of God, of Jesus Christ, of the gospel of salvation, even in a more direct and blasphemous way than Islam is, or at least AS bad.  (By the way there is an old book called Mormonism, America's Islam, sorry don't remember much about it I'll have to look it up). 

Our merely being stuck with the choice between Obama and Romney already demonstrates that the nation IS under judgment, or it could be said that in itself the choice IS judgment, both candidates representing God's displeasure with this nation.  In many ways Romney looked a lot better to conservative eyes, but I wonder if conservative eyes see much the way God's eyes do.

BUT I have to admit that we haven't had a President in many many years that could be said to have been in God's will anyway.  I won't speculate how far back.  We've been under judgment a long time. 

Again, the best Romney would have been is a slower approach to an increasingly horrible Judgment.

And then there's the further proof that we're on the slide to oblivion in the fact that Colorado and Washington legalized RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.  Well, they don't know what they are doing, poor blind fallen people, but how fast we've slid toward the abode of demons!   Oh once-Christian America. 

I've got to admit I would have felt relieved if Romney had won but I'm not sure why or, to be more accurate, given what I've said above, it couldn't be a rational response.

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3 PM Everybody I've heard from today has said, almost in the same words, "we're done, it's over."  America is gone forever.  The Obama people have no clue.  it's going to hit them too eventually.

The growing apostasy makes revival risky

More Christians are recognizing the validity of Jonathan Cahn's revelation of God's messages to America about 9/11, which ought to herald a great awakening beginning with the repentance of the churches. That and only that could prevent God's judgments against America that the "harbingers" are all about, and lead to the recovery of God's blessings on the nation. And I'm still doing what I can to promote it simply because this is truly God's own word to us.

At the same time it is so clear that the churches are going off in so many false directions these days my old forbodings about a false revival are coming back in force, and it's becoming hard to welcome any revival at all, even one that would come in response to these uncanny revelations of God's judgments against the nation.

I think it was A. W. Tozer I first heard say something along these lines. There are times when the condition of the churches makes revival a bad idea.

I've been willing to accept that the Brownsville "revival" of a decade or so ago was most likely truly from God despite my initial misgivings, because of a few people who seemed to be having genuine experiences, although I still have to question others, and if the questionable ones were all I'd seen I wouldn't have been so convinced it was from God.

In any case it seems like a "weak" revival, heavy on the physical phenomena that former true revivals always played down. We don't need more of those. We need revival that majors in repentance for the sins of the churches and the sins of the nation and a return to pure doctrine, and a revived national moral conscience that comes as a consequence of the purification of the churches.

But even as I contemplate that as the desired direction I'm aware of all the false movements growing up these days that would be waiting in the wings to co-opt any such move of the Spirit and turn it into a false revival that would be extremely hard to distinguish from the true.

Right now we've got politicians and pundits who preach policies a true conservative Christian wants to hear and yet they are Catholics and Mormons. Two of the Republican candidates are Catholics, one is a Mormon. Then there is Glenn Beck who is a popular and very articulate spokesman for conservative politics, but his Mormonism, and now his Mormonism aligning itself with Catholicism as well, is becoming blatantly obviously his main agenda. He'd turn revival to purposes a true Christian couldn't welcome. And he keeps calling for a revival too, again no revival a Christian could welcome. David Barton, former champion of evangelical hopes for the revival of a supposedly once-Christian nation, has sadly joined with Glenn Beck and dashed all such hopes for anyone who has a solid Biblical basis. Any revival that got co-opted by these false religionists would become a false revival in the service of false religion, mislead people away from Christ and the nation closer to judgment.

There are many supposed evangelicals who have already proved their lack of discernment by embracing both Mormons and Catholics as genuine Christians, evangelicals who denounce the true evangelicals who do have good Biblical discernment and refuse to link with Mormonism and Catholicism, as "haters" who fail at the most basic requirement of Christian love. And there are some who reject Mormonism but accept Catholicism, to make it even more complicated, such as Franklin Graham, following after his father Billy Graham.

With that kind of twistedness out there, my hope for a genuine revival is foundering and I'm beginning to see the "harbinger" revelations, that should be the catalyst to true revival, instead as God's witnesses against America that are going to stand against the nation to the last day. What could have inspired the purification the churches need probably shouldn't happen even if it could at this point, so the nation can only continue to deteriorate under God's judgments while the global-minded church keeps building the platform for the rise of the Antichrist.

Now I'm more inclined in the direction of wanting to see what's left of the true churches and true Christians be strengthened in Biblical foundations, so we can "stand in that evil day" maybe manage to shout truth into the storm as it swirls around us -- if we're still here when it breaks.

The floating tribute to the fallen World Trade Center, USS New York, unfortunately another icon of America's defiance of God

Someone recently sent me an email honoring our American military in which the last part was about the USS New York, the battleship built from steel from the collapsed World Trade Center. I'd seen information about this before, it circulates especially among patriotic conservatives, but this time I had Jonathan Cahn's revelations about 9/11 in mind as I read it, as did the person who sent it to me.

It's one thing to know that 9/11 was God's warning judgment on America, but another to know that God Himself spoke to America through events connected with that day. This He did in such an immediate and personal way that you can almost see its significance reaching into the future, heralding new judgments to come because the nation failed to recognize God's hand in the attack, failed to humble ourselves and repent in response to it. Instead we did the equivalent of shaking our fist at God, though of course we THOUGHT it was only shaking our fist at the terrorists.

It is touching to read about the reverence the steelworkers who molded part of the ship felt about it. The foundry operations manager said that when the trade center steel first arrived he touched it with his hand and the "hair on my neck stood up." "It had a big meaning to it for all of us" he said, "They knocked us down, they can't keep us down. We're going to be back up."

Moving though such patriotic expressions may be, if you know about the harbingers or omens of 9/11 that were discovered by Jonathan Cahn, it must give you a shudder to see this same sentiment expressed again and again like this. "We're going to be back up," not, "God is judging America, we must repent," but "They can't keep us down, we're going to be back up," exactly the same sentiment God Himself pointed to in Isaiah 9:10 through many irrefutable signs to show the identity between ancient Israel's defiance of God and America's after 9/11.

So I worry for the ship and its crew. If the mere steel from the trade center made a man's hair stand on end, surely we know God's hand is on that steel and now it's in that ship and it signifies God's judgment, and how can that ship be safe under such circumstances?

It was the seventh ship to be named after the city of New York, and the number seven strongly figures in certain events since 9/11 that Cahn discovered. The ship was commissioned on November 9 of 2009. What time factor may apply from that date forward I don't know but God's judgments keep ticking away and I can only fear for the future of that icon to 9/11.

"We're going to be back up?" Not according to God, not in any permanent way for sure. The only way back up is down: on our knees in repentance and prayer.

The sadness of misplaced compassion that is destroying America

Somebody posted this video on one of my "favorite" worldly politically correct websites, a Republican Representative giving her view of the gay marriage issue in very emotional politically correct terms. How she wouldn't want to deprive anyone of the kind of close relationship marriage can bring. Her daughter is a lesbian which must contribute much to her feelings on the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CbmbdWK6338

I remember a Christian woman from some years ago who likewise embraced the idea of gay rights when her daughter turned out to be a lesbian.

This kind of thinking is very influential these days. We no longer have a Christian worldview shaping our once-Christian culture, even within the churches. Such questions are often decided based on feelings instead, and feelings such as this woman's are often misconstrued as compassion, even "Christian" compassion.

How are we to answer this? Christian opposition to gay marriage is treated by the world as a simple lack of compassion, even as anti-Christian according to the popular notion of what a Christian is supposed to be, as "mean-spirited," as "hatred against love" as I saw it expressed today. When ill-taught Christians join the chorus it becomes very difficult to get the topic onto a genuinely Christian footing and make sense.

I realize that it does not help to get angry as I did in my previous post because this is a problem of worldviews and understanding and the majority of people have no way to understand WHY a Bible Christian would get angry, all they can do is think we're being mean.

Is there any way to explain this that would help? Probably not, but that's no reason not to make the effort.

First, there is a HUGE confusion these days on many issues between how God deals with individuals and how He deals with nations and government. This is a big problem in talking about how America is under judgment, which I keep trying to deal with on these blogs. If we say that 9/11 was God's judgment on America people get indignant about how we are "blaming the victims" when that is not the point at all. It's not about the victims, it's not about individuals, it's about the NATION.

The same problem comes up in discussing an issue such as the head covering for women as spelled out in 1 Corinthians 11:2-16. It's very hard to try to make a case for the head covering that doesn't get people upset thinking you're criticizing individual women for not covering their heads, failing at the most basic task of giving grace to others and generally being a legalistic Pharisee. Over and over you may find yourself having to say "But I DON'T think women who don't cover their heads are spiritually inferior," and "No, I am NOT speaking from my own feelings about this, much of what I'm saying actually contradicts my own personal feelings, I am simply speaking from what I understand the apostle Paul to be teaching." I keep being surprised to keep having to deal with this sort of misunderstanding but I guess I shouldn't be. Maybe there is no way to answer it effectively, but obviously it needs to be expected that people will mishear in this way because of worldly influences on our thinking, and this has to be regarded as a major impediment to getting across a Biblical position on it that needs some focused attention.

I may get more into the head covering issue soon because I've been discussing it on a forum recently, I bring it up here only because it has some features in common with our ongoing battle with the culture at large on issues such as gay marriage. The world thinks it's compassion and fairness toward women to allow them to have abortions. They can't seem to absorb the idea that the pregnancy represents an actual human being whose life must be taken in the service of such "compassion."

Likewise, the world thinks it's compassion toward homosexuals to treat them as exactly the same as heterosexuals and extend the rites of marriage to them. They can't seem to grasp the PURPOSE of marriage, which is to sanctify a union that is naturally or at least on principle able to produce offspring. They constantly misconstrue the objection that gay marriage "would destroy marriage" as a PERSONAL objection, like it's going to destroy MY personal marriage, unable to grasp that it's about marriage as a cultural institution that transcends all personal expressions of it, and that what would be destroyed is its cultural MEANING, a meaning that goes back to Creation through all time and all cultures. Apparently such an idea strikes them as too abstract and trivial to take seriously, compared with the much higher value they place on personal feelings and desires.

I watch all this with my teeth on edge, knowing that the nation is digging itself deeper and deeper into the grave by defying God's laws. So I talk about God's judgment coming against America, hoping that will get something across, only to find that the same kind of misunderstanding immediately clouds the issue. "Our compassionate good God would not do that," they say, "God doesn't cause suffering." This is of course why I think the revelations God gave Jonathan Cahn about 9/11 are so important -- which I've been writing about on Faith's Corner -- because they show in irrefutable literal physical facts that it IS God who brought about 9/11 and they teach WHY He did it -- the attitude of defiant independence from God and arrogant self-sufficiency -- and only if this is understood is there any hope of America seeing the light and repenting and thus avoiding the further horrors of further judgment from God. Now that IS God's compassion, showing us how to escape such sufferings. But so far few are listening that I'm aware of.

But America needs also to recognize the particular sins that have been digging us into the grave over the last few decades, the abortions in the tens of millions -- their blood crying out to God as the blood of Abel did -- the sexual sins of every type imaginable including the horrific notion of "freedom of pornography" and "freedom" for every kind of sin and deviation from God's law imaginable.

Truly the culture is in lemmings-to-the-sea mode, blithely tripping to its doom without a clue, thinking we're all making such "progress" in "freedom" when we're really stumbling around in the dark about to fall into the abyss, about to be consumed by terrible destruction, economic disaster, poverty, even starvation, violence from within and without, encroachment by enemies and aliens, because we're aggressively defying God's laws and putting in their place laws that actually reverse them, putting evil for good and good for evil.

And of course the trump card of the unbeliever is always that they don't believe in God and God's law anyway, that's just "religious" foolishness, any disasters have natural causes. Which may make some Christians feel like sinking back into a corner and covering our eyes while they invite their own destruction. Our wonderful powerhouse church seems to bave been deprived of all its power these days, as if there's a blockage in our fuel line from God.

Repentance does have to start with the church and the church isn't doing much in the direction of repenting either for our own deviations from God's rule. Christians who got saved out of this culture also subscribed to all its insanity before being saved, I certainly did, but once born again all that changes completely and now we ought to be able to say something relevant about it. Unfortunately the churches themselves have been falling for the craziness and need themselves to repent.

Yes, God CAN turn suffering and judgment to good purposes for Christians, opportunities to bring people to salvation, for instance, personal spiritual growth for instance, but let's not be naive -- this is not the easy way to bring that about. Judgment means the destruction of the way of life we've all become accustomed to and it's going to be hard to deal with physically, emotionally and spiritually -- for us for sure but more so for the poor unbelievers who have no way to understand any of it and no trust in God to support them, whom we must help when our own resources are lowest. Yes, we have His strength made stronger by our weakness -- if we have the spiritual sense to draw on it, and at the moment the churches aren't exactly spiritually alert.

So, the compassionate lady in the video is defending a position that can only bring doom to this country, just as those American leaders who pronounced the defiance of Isaiah 9:10 that God revealed to Jonathan Cahn were pronouncing God's sentence against America.

Is there any appeal from God's sentence? Is repentance possible at all? Will the churches finally wake up and repent for the sake of the nation? Is there any cure for this blindness or do we just have to sit back and helplessly watch it happen, watch Americans destroy themselves and the nation that once enjoyed great blessings from God?

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Later; Must add that sometimes I write on such subjects as if the most important thing were what is going to happen to the nation and not to individuals. This is due no doubt to what I said I keep encountering, the misreading of what does apply to the nation as applying to individuals instead. But it does also have to be recognized that saving individuals is more imporant than saving the nation. Saving them from an eternity of suffering for their sins, that is. This is all about sin, sins that are bringing the nation to destruction, but they first of all bring individuals to destruction. The misplaced compassion of the woman in the video is actually condemning her own daughter to death. She may have a wonderfully happy "marriage" with her lesbian partner but a miserable eternity because she was kept from the knowledge of salvation by Christ. Same for all the unfortunate women who have had abortions not regarding it as murder. They need to repent and be saved by Christ who died for them. God will judge the nation only on this earth; but He judges individuals for eternity.

MELTDOWN OVER IDIOTIC AND DANGEROUS MISAPPLICATIONS OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

It could make a person sick, actually it should, and probably does, anyone with any sensitivity who is paying attention.

I just listened to a few seconds' worth of a video news report on the legal question of Amazon's "right" to publish an e-book for pedophiles, because I couldn't stand to hear another word.

AGH, YUCK, BLECH, RETCH.

WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE SO LOST TRACK OF WHAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION WAS ALL ABOUT? IT WAS ABOUT POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHTS, THE RIGHT TO FREEDOM FROM GOVERNMENT TYRANNY AGAINST POLITICAL OPINIONS IN PARTICULAR, THE RIGHT TO HAVE PUBLIC POLITICAL OPINIONS WITHOUT FEAR OF CENSORSHIP AND PERSECUTION FROM GOVERNMENT, THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE ONE'S RELIGION WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.

IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO SUPPORT PERSONAL TASTES OR SEXUAL HABITS (OR "RELIGIOUS" PRACTICES THAT VIOLATE OUR CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAWS EITHER FOR THAT MATTER -- AT LEAST OUR SANE LAWS, THE ONES THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH OUR WESTERN CHRISIAN HERITAGE). THE IDEA IS AGAINST THE WHOLE SPIRIT OF THE FOUNDING OF AMERICA, THE VERY THOUGHT IS SO NAUSEATINGLY INAPPROPRIATE IT HAS TO BE A SIGN THAT THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING SOON -- OR I HOPE IT IS. I CAN'T STAND THE THOUGHT THAT THIS SORT OF INSANITY COULD GET WORSE.

"FREEDOM" WAS NEVER EVER MEANT TO GRANT A "RIGHT" TO PUBLIC OBSCENITY OR VULGARITY OR TO FEEDING HUMAN PERVERSIONS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT CAN ENDANGER OTHERS, IN THIS CASE CHILDREN, AND WE USED TO HAVE LAWS AGAINST THAT SORT OF THING WHICH OUGHT TO HAVE SHOWN ANYONE WITH ANY INTELLIGENCE THAT IT COULDN'T HAVE MEANT THAT. FREEDOM NEVER MEANT FREEDOM TO COMMIT CRIMES OR OFFENSES AGAINST OTHERS OR AGAINST SOCIETY, BUT THEY'VE TWISTED THE WORD TO MEAN THAT -- SINCE ABOUT THE 60S.

THOSE WHO SUPPORT SUCH THINGS ARE SICK SICK SICK. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE LEFT, THE JUDICIARY AND MOST OF THE POWERS THAT BE THESE DAYS, THE WHOLE MARXIST-INFECTED LOT OF THEM.

THIS MAKES ME SO SICK ALL I CAN DO IS RANT.

Islamization of Paris -- the US to follow shortly

How can this be happening?

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It's a policy of Islam of course, to take over the world by moving into countries one by one and gradually overwhelming them with greater population. Leftist policies, otherwise known as Political Correctness, have facilitated their aims over the last few decades, accelerating madly in just a few years it seems.

In this video we see some French protests against Islam finally, but is this going to have much effect in the end?

Not if Islamization is part of God's judgment on the West, as I believe it is.

We've lost our Christian character, so a satanic religion is going to move in and take over. Europe lost their Christian roots well before the US did, so judgment started there sooner and will catch up here later, although clearly it has already started here as well.

Since I've been doing some studies on the End Times recently, it just naturally popped into my mind that Islam is like the Abomination of Desolation standing in the holy place as it moves in where Christianity used to thrive but has been falling away.

We need a Christian take on this. Our God is the true God and Allah is a satanic invention who enslaves all who come under his spell. The Muslims need the true God but so does the dying West. So we should regard the Muslims as a mission field, but even before that we need to recognize that Europe as a whole is the mission field. Where are the missionaries equipped to go to them? Lord, send workers into the harvest.

Again I come back to the need for revival, the recovery of Christian spiritual power. I don't see it happening. And I keep discovering that I don't have the energy to pursue it myself either. How sad.

September 25 Day of Islam in Washington ought to set a fire under American churches. Will it?

50,000 Muslims are projected to be part of a day of Islamic prayer and Islamic Unity in Washington on Capitol Hill on Friday September 25th. That's a week from this Friday.

The message at the bottom of their website says "Our time has come," and who can disagree with them? They attacked us on 9/11 but in spite of that everything has gone their way since then and now they are declaring themselves a religious power at the center of American government.

This is just another stage of God's judgment against America and against American churches. Will we wake up or not?

2 Corinthians 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Islam is such a strong hold; Islam is a high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.

Will we get on our knees for hours on end and pray down this aggressive move by the devil himself? Confess the sins of America, confess personal sin, pray for revival and pray from now until September 26th that God would intervene to prevent this outrage against Him from occurring in the seat of American government and increasing His wrath against the nation. Also pray for Muslims to turn to Christ, and for other Christians to become involved in praying down this outrage, and for strength for each to continue.

It could be done if we would do it.

WHAT THIS BLOG IS ABOUT

The dire situation of America came up again at Faith's Corner, just the day after America's birthday, and this time I thought I'd see what I can put together in a separate blog about whether there's any hope for the nation.

I don't know where my own hope came from but even to be thinking in this direction implies some hope. I'd pretty much given up, you see. I gave up on politics some time ago, but then I also gave up on the churches, and it's the churches that have the ultimate responsibility for what happens in the nation. Of course most Christians pray for the nation, but the church is in a bad way too, needing God's correction before there's much hope the nation can be corrected.

There are some prophetic voices out there trying to call the church back, trying to call the nation back, but there are also lots of false prophets making it difficult to hear the true. There are also lots of Christians who think they and their churches are immune to such problems, and while they lament the moral and spiritual degeneration of America they don't see themselves as having any power to do anything about it, or any responsibility for the situation in the first place.

The late Leonard Ravenhill was one of the strongest prophetic voices who spoke directly to America's moral decline and the church's role in it as well as the hope the church would wake up and experience true revival, which is really the only hope for the nation, and I want to start out this blog with his deeply concerned messages.