The pagan underworld revealed

UPDATE: Hey, go listen to Chris Pinto's radio broadcast for today 3/12/12, Who Are They Hiding It From? This is the third part of a series he's doing to answer a critic of his analysis of the American founders as not Christian, all of which is worth listening to, but the reason I'm saying this here is that after the halfway point he gets into how he believes that the Constitution was cleverly designed to accomplish just what we are facing in this country -- the disenfranchisement of Christianity. That has certainly seemed possible to me, either that or the founders stupidly didn't anticipate that effect, didn't know that's what they were doing. But now I'm convinced they did, they sold out the Christian foundations of this country and we are now suffering the consequences of their ANTI-Christian machinations. And I have to add that if the secularists and atheists think that's a good thing THEY need to learn something about the BASIS on which they did this because it was far more occultic than secularist, and we're also now getting all the satanic occultic religions demanding rights. Wait till they finally experience what that REALLY means.

March 13th broadcast continues the same subject. In this one he focuses on an article by David Barton about how Obama is the most anti-Biblical President we've ever had. The evidence against Obama is certainly enormous, but Pinto objects to the fact that Barton has fed us seriously out-of-context quotes that ignore the outrageous blasphemies of the most prominent Founding Fathers, making the focus on Obama well, perhaps a tad hypocritical. Jefferson and Adams were both American Presidents who aggressively and blasphemously denied the foundations of the Christian faith. Obama is if anything following in their footsteps at least by his actions if not his actual statements which he tries to keep vague enough not to step too hard on Christian toes.

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March 11:
Gotta say, the revelations coming out about the pagan origins of America are breathtaking, and not just America but we're talking worldwide influence. Stuff you've heard about all your life that's been off on the fringes of experience, that you didn't understand and didn't have much curiosity about either, are suddenly coming into acute focus for me (AMORC?). All the pagan symbolism connected with America, gods and goddesses, characters placed alongside Moses on the Supreme Court building frieze as if equal to the great Biblical lawgiver -- Mohammed? -- even the architecture, Greek, Egyptian, the symbolism on our money.

Then when you do get a glimmer of the implications you still don't really get it because you think it's ancient and dead and now has ONLY symbolic value. But recently it has all been coming into focus as this huge REAL expression of what the Fall was all about -- the ownership of the human race by Satan, the worship of Satan, the attempt to make the world in Satan's image. Historical figures you had come to believe were Christian, based on solid Biblical quotations from them, turn out to be something else, people who combined Biblical knowledge with ancient pagan lore and were basically committed followers of Satan.

Atlantis?? Never in my wildest dreams would that ancient legend have turned out to have a reality pertinent to my own time. Actually it had occurred to me that it might reflect a memory of the pre-Flood world, and it turns out it was that in spades, way beyond anything I could have begun to think. But it also turns out there have been serious occult attempts to revive the ancient kingdom -- in America!

Well, if we already knew we were in the end times, now we ought to have no doubt whatever, as these threads of human "wisdom" are revealed to have had passionate advocates and adepts all along, involved in all of human history, right up to the present.

Seems to me this stuff did have to start being revealed on the very threshold of the revelation of the Antichrist. Hidden lore, the demonic source of the supernatural tricks the evil one will be capable of, and all packaged in high-flown rhetoric about bringing peace on earth, uniting the human race under a global ideal social structure, celebrating all the highest achievements of mankind culturally and intellectually and socially and scientifically. What a package! It will seduce many.

Unless they look to Christ for salvation from the bondage to Satan it's really all about.

I'm referring mostly to information I've been gleaning from talks and productions by Chris Pinto. He's an unusually trustworthy and thorough researcher in my experience, reading complete documents instead of just excerpts, some pretty heavy-going stuff too, checking many sources to be sure he isn't missing anything, finding out-of-the-way expert information more superficial researchers would miss, doesn't take first impressions for gospel truth as I've found too many do.

I found a lot of his work at You Tube and I did embed it here, but now realize that's illegal. He sells his material. Unfortunately I can't afford it, but I also shouldn't display it here. I'll leave a couple of the links up at least but they probably won't stay live for long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU24fJ4NQxo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zYM-unUeNY&feature=related

Is it Judgment OR Revival, or could it be Judgment AND Revival?

I keep hearing some ideas that strike me as very odd that I can't yet organize into a coherent point of view, which was also the case in my previous post. It's not getting much clearer yet. Some questions out of the incoherence occur:

Why does it matter that America isn't in the Bible as far as hopes for a revival go? Revival is God's coming down and imparting fresh spiritual life to His people This could happen in Timbuktoo as well as America and I don't think Timbuktoo is in the Bible either.

What does it have to do with the origins of America whether we have revival or not? Why should it matter whether the Founders were Enlightenment Deists or Christians for us to desire to wake up the churches and strengthen believers in the Holy Spirit? For whatever reason America as a whole HAS been historically characterized by Christian culture and if the churches get revived the whole culture will get renewed with a Christian outlook. What any of this has to do with specifics about the Founding generation completely escapes me.

Why should there be a problem with desiring and seeking revival whether or not the very last days are upon us and the Antichrist is just around the corner? Why would we need to find such a revival in the Bible in order to justify seeking it? We seek it because we need it. If it should come before the Evil Empire descends on us at least we will have had a wonderful awakening, the strengthening of God's people and the ushering in of many converts who won't be prey for that regime.

They seem to talk at times as if revival or desire for revival could interfere with the end times plan, even as if that would be working against God. Strengthening His church would be working against God? What if it did put off the timing of the coming of the final Evil Empire? God's going to object to that?

They also seem to talk as if Well fine if God brings revival well and good but if not well and good, as if revival simply drops out of the sky at God's bidding and has nothing to do with human effort. I've read quite a bit about revivals and one thing that is true of all of them is that there was deep desire and seeking for the revival and much much prayer. If that isn't happening there will not be revival.

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LATER: The people who seem to be saying these things seem to have "moralizing" in mind as the problem, attempts to "reclaim" "Christian America" with politics and moral reformation, which tends to seek alignment with nonChristian groups that share the same moral perspective, meaning Christians aligning with Mormons and Catholics and the like in an ecumenical coalition. However, this does manage to get confused with long-established hopes for revival among true Christians such as Leonard Ravenhill never ceased calling for, and sites such as Sermon Index are dedicated to.

I get the feeling that these critics aren't really aware of these revival hopes and that may be why I'm having such a hard time grasping their position. I have certainly vacillated a great deal on whether or not such a revival is even possible at this time, or could even be risky considering all the false "Christian" groups that keep springing up like poisonous mushrooms these days that would do their best to interfere with it.

And now Glenn Beck the Mormon has been calling for "revival" which is another red flag. BUT: True revival is not possible within Mormonism, true Holy Spirit revival, because it's a false religion. The best they could do IS some attempt at moralistic reformation -- or some demonic manifestations perhaps, and we ARE getting near the time when "signs and wonders" are prophesied to start appearing. Same with Catholicism and all the growing bodies of apostate "Christianity" out there as well. Rick Warren's church, Joel Osteen's, the Emergent Church etc. etc.

But is it possible to have a true revival among true Christians without all the rest of that interfering? Again, I vacillate. I might not have worried about it except that I remember A W Tozer warning that there are times, and his own time was one, when revival would not be a good idea because of the backslidden or watered-down condition of the churches -- and he wasn't even talking about all the FALSE churches, just weak true churches. So the question about true revival really is: Is there enough of a true church now that God COULD revive us in true supernatural power and convert some of the apostates as well? Or not?

Birth Pangs of the Lord's Day, from a Biblical point of view

Just happened to see this video, No. 9 in a series of 14, called Megiddo I, the March to Armageddon. This could just as well be in my End Times blog but the emphasis is so political I decided to put it here. This particular segment covers some of the history of the push for a New World Order in speeches by various world leaders over the last century.

I haven't yet seen the whole series. Here is Part 1 and I'll probably be back later to add more to this post.